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Audio & Hi-Fi 1970/1 HMV 2025 Record Player (Yuck)

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Jamie
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Here it is…. Will scan it properly for Chris to add to library later.

 

help 😂

ABF34648 9AF8 4DE7 9CFB DC0858E52129
7F8ED08D AC78 4B99 B668 C4B618A40953
275E8EE2 4A2B 4BE8 AF4D 8EE2BB12FD4E
 
Posted : 21/06/2022 11:07 am
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Good stuff Jamie, so now you can go over the complete circuit and measure the voltages to see they agree with the diagram.

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Posted : 21/06/2022 7:29 pm
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Posted by: @pye625

Good stuff Jamie, so now you can go over the complete circuit and measure the voltages to see they agree with the diagram.

The biggest issue still seems to be that 7.25V Missing from LH and RH VT1. 

 
Posted : 21/06/2022 7:33 pm
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And yet the base and emitter voltages are correct?

Is R29 ok?

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Posted : 21/06/2022 7:39 pm
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Looking at the map, I'd hope to see about 16-17V across C9, the decoupling electrolytic. Ohms Law says the transistors should be passing about 400µA of emitter current - if the two 10µF caps that bypass the emitter bias resistors are going s/c under volts then that would upset the DC conditions somewhat. Similarly, if they went o/c they'd reduce the gain of the stage somewhat as then extra negative feedback would be introduced across the emitter load.

 
Posted : 22/06/2022 11:50 am
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Posted by: @pye625

And yet the base and emitter voltages are correct?

Is R29 ok?

Brand New

Posted by: @cathovisor

Looking at the map, I'd hope to see about 16-17V across C9, the decoupling electrolytic. Ohms Law says the transistors should be passing about 400µA of emitter current - if the two 10µF caps that bypass the emitter bias resistors are going s/c under volts then that would upset the DC conditions somewhat. Similarly, if they went o/c they'd reduce the gain of the stage somewhat as then extra negative feedback would be introduced across the emitter load.

Also brand new..... eurghhhhhhhh 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:22 pm
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Hmmm, Might check R3 & R4. They LOOK to be replacements based on the photo of an "unspoiled"  chassis Chris shared a while back... 

EDIT: 11k and 12.7k so they're ok too! 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:25 pm
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@jskinner97 Okay, so... what're the voltages on VT1, the voltage across C9 and what type is VT1 - I don't speak Thorn 😉 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:47 pm
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R1 & R2 are fine too! 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:47 pm
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Posted by: @cathovisor

@jskinner97 Okay, so... what're the voltages on VT1, the voltage across C9 and what type is VT1 - I don't speak Thorn 😉 

The data is in an image a few posts back lol, the main thing missing is 7.25V on the detector of both VT1's which is a BC186

 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:49 pm
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One other thing - can you connect an AC voltmeter across the loudspeakers with no signal applied to the input? Turn the volume up too. 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:51 pm
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Posted by: @cathovisor

@jskinner97 Okay, so... what're the voltages on VT1, the voltage across C9 and what type is VT1 - I don't speak Thorn 😉 

The data is in an image a few posts back lol, the main thing missing is 7.25V on the detector of both VT1's which is a BC186

 

And you are measuring these actual voltages on your amplifier, yes? 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:52 pm
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3.6V AC across c9 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 5:58 pm
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LH speaker 0.023V AC
RH Speaker 0.018V AC 

No input vol on full

the right channel is virtually non existant 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 6:05 pm
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All other voltages on all other transistors are fine/ Only problem is that missing 7.25V DC on both VT1 its way down to about 2.3V 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 6:30 pm
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OK. I changed a resistor and we have about 5.6V on LH VT1.... RH VT1 is missing the 7.25V

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 6:40 pm
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Posted by: @jskinner97

3.6V AC across c9 

Sorry, my mistake Jamie - in this instance I'm interested in the DC voltage.

So you've changed a resistor - which one? An absence of collector volts is pretty fundamental, it points to the collector load being o/c, or a very dead transistor!

 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 6:52 pm
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R9 and R10 changed…

 

C9 DCV 18.59V

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 7:00 pm
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What state are R7/8/11/12 in?

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 7:13 pm
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7 in tolerance

8 new

11 & 12 in tolerance 

they’re being checked on my Chinese tester which applies 5V to them 

 
Posted : 23/06/2022 7:15 pm
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