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TA8659CN; Jungle IC  

 
crustytv
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I've heard forum members who were in the trade to the bitter end, folk like Baz & John for example, often talk and remark on the 'Jungle' IC. Not having much interest in TV's much beyond the mid to late 1980's, I'd zero clue as to what this IC represented. That is until reading a Ferguson Feedback issue this morning. Boy am I'm glad I've no interest in those later sets that used them. For those like me who were blissfully unaware or perhaps the likes of Baz, John and others who may like a stroll down memory lane, he's an overview from Ferguson.

By the way, did it get the 'Jungle' nickname due to the sheer number of functions it carried out? A veritable jungle in there!

I checked my stores and was pleasantly surprised I have one in stock, there maybe others.

Jungle IC

This integrated IC TA8659CN performs a large number of functions.  Included in this 64- pin IC are the colour decoder, sync  separator and time based generators.  Note: Not all of the features of this IC are used in the example receiver which was an IKC2.

Functions

The IC performs the following functions:

Video section:

  • DC-controlled picture sharpness
  • Contrast control (with unicolour control)
  • Brightness control
  • Internal vertical blanking

chroma section:

  • ACC control
  • DC colour control
  • RGB demodulator outputs
  • APC loop with no adjustment required
  • Tint control
  • PAL/NTSC/SECAM auto signal detection
  • Forced signal selector
  • Auto sub carrier detector and switching

Deflection section:

  • Sync separator
  • Adjustment free, horizontal and vertical oscillators by countdown.
  • Horizontal flywheel circuit
  • Horizontal pre-driver
  • X-ray protection
  • 50/60Hz field speed auto selector

Teletext interface:

  • RGB space inputs
  • TV/Text switching
  • Text contrasts control
  • Half -tone space control

 

The IC has four power input pins:

Pin 6 - chrome circuits

Pin 40 - line stage

Pin 61 - video systems

Pin 63 - RGB output stages

There are two ground connections

Pin 19 - chroma circuits

Pin 50 - video and time base

Block Diagram

Pin-Outs

 

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Posted : 04/07/2020 12:22 pm
sideband
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Jungle IC is quite an old term. I'm pretty sure it goes back as far as Philips G8 days and they were nowhere near as complex as the one above.

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Posted : 04/07/2020 1:06 pm
Red_to_Black
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These types of chip were actually very reliable for the most part, sometimes an EHT flashover could see them off however.

I also reckon most were replaced in error 😉 , I know that in the past I have suspected one to be faulty (not necessarily on the IKC2) only to replace it and have the same symptoms!!! which later proved to be down to a two-legged component. I don't suppose I am alone here.

I think someone in the TV mag called it 'punkies law' whereby the likelihood of a faulty component was inversely proportional to the number of legs it has. 😀 

If spares and/or a scrap chassis was to hand though it was still often easier to swap this type of chip over early doors to rule it out rather than go on a marathon fault finding expedition only to find out the chip was faulty all along!! another of punkies laws 🤣

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Posted : 04/07/2020 1:08 pm
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Red_to_Black
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Further to above, worse was to come in the latter days of CRT sets, SM 128 pin chips!! which was practically a 'TV on a chip' to all intents and purposes, in addition to all of the above they also contained the sets microprocessor and Text/On Screen Graphics (OSG) too! Philips was a huge pioneer in this development of further integration and many budget sets used their chips, The Philips L01 and Sony FE2 chassis spring immediately to mind here. Top-end sets still seemed to use 'more separated' parts ie. read more chips with just as many legs!! 🤣 

 

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Posted : 04/07/2020 1:20 pm
Nuvistor
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@sideband

I remember some IC’s having the term Jungle IC, with video, AGC and sync separator functions.

Certainly not as complex as the TA8659.

Frank

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Posted : 04/07/2020 3:21 pm
Katie Bush
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I remember Ralph (worked in one of the TV repair shops I frequented) talking about "jungle" chips as far back as 1978, and it may well have been in relation the G8 chassis too.

My granddad, a staunch GEC user, reckoned that the G8 was probably the best set on the market at that time - and went out and bought one. Didn't even hesitate to look at anything from his beloved GEC, nor any other marques for that matter!

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Posted : 04/07/2020 11:37 pm
EmleyMoor
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I first heard the term when looking at the diagram on the back cover of my Panasonic U1 chassis set (had been grandad's set from new in about 1979, became his "upstairs" set in 1983 after standing in the hall for about a year, then came home with me when he moved house in 1989).

I never heard of anyone having trouble with the jungle IC back then, and it certainly never gave any trouble on the Panasonic. In fact, apart from initially weak colour and a later problem with the touch tuner (which I fixed), it was a very reliable set, scrapped on failure in about 1995 by which time it was in my sister's house in Leeds.

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Posted : 04/07/2020 11:56 pm