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[Sticky] JVC/Ferguson HR3300/3V22 Clock Rebuild

 
Hurty
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Hi All, Thought I would describe how I have repaired two of my clock modules on my Ferguson 3V22's

Faulty Clock Display

Clock Display

The display unclips from the front of the machine and one plug to be removed then dismantle the case. You will be left two PCB's one with the clock electronics the other the display. You will first need to de-solder the multiple 150 ohm resistor array to separate the boards the carefully leaver the external LED cover, purple, and the led cover, white, usually forces the plastic through the board some may brake off but doesn't matter as you will put these back with a small amount of glue.

LED Cover Removed

Display Split

Resistor Array Removed

Old Resistor Array

 You will now be left with just the faulty LED board

Origional Clk

You will now need some Acetone to dissolve the glue over the LED's. I used Oily Nail Polish Remover but be aware that some of these products are Acetone free. I used a shallow plastic tray with just enough Acetone to cover the LED side of the board.

Acitate

Leave this soaking for a few hours then lightly scrub with an old tooth brush. It will take two or three goes to get all the glue off. You will be left with microscopic LED's on the board that look to be "spot" welded to the copper track but these will come off by applying a small amount of pressure with a small screwdriver. You will be then left with a bare copper board. You will need to tin the copper ready for mounting the new LED's.

Re tinned

Next you will now need to mount the new LED's. I found the best to use where 0603 surface mount devices (red). 0402 are two small 0603's where correct with the correct height to mate with the display and sit across the connection tracks correctly . For those that don't know 0603 is the SMD (surface mount device) size. Very small to solder but doable. MAKE SURE you solder the LED's in the correct way around with the CORRECT POLARITY!! I used my Fluke meter to check on diode test as it just about illuminates them.

New LEDs

The new LEDs do not require anything like the same drive for the same brightness so you will have to replace the resistor array with individual resistors. I found 4.7k or 5.6k (preferred). For those in the know do not add resistors to the two common return lines as this will cause the LED's to pulse with the seconds LED. You will need 20 of these resistors.

Re resistored

Glue the display covers back on after testing on your machine. I have done three of these now and its nice to see the machine fully functional again with working clock display.

Fixed Clock

All to do one mine was finish the r.f. alignment and check the picture, recorded off another aligned machine.

r. f. alignment

And the picture

Recording Playback

Just a note to say I have never come across a duff driver pin on the clock chip when I used to service these in the early 80's

Any questions please ask

Adrian

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Topic starter Posted : 10/10/2020 12:44 pm
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crustytv
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Fantastic post Adrian ?

A very useful how-to guide, thank you for taking the time to document the process and share it with us. This is worthy of being made a sticky so its not lost, which it now is.

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Posted : 10/10/2020 2:19 pm
Cathovisor
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An Agilent DSO?! Your lad said you had an enviable workshop... it might encourage me to look into the dead segment on my Thurlby bench PSU - annoyingly, the top right one.

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Posted : 10/10/2020 2:35 pm
Hurty
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@crustytv Hi Crusty, thanks for leaving as a "sticky" I thought it would be useful as nearly all the ones you see have at least one duff segment! In the days of these VTR's the clock units where prohibitively expensive. Never tried to repair them then but with the advent of SMD components I thought lets give it a go. fiddly mounting the leds I rest them on the prepared board then hold with a small screwdriver blade whilst I tack one end then solder the other, wait a minuet then solder the tacked end. If you lose or melt an LED, bin it start with a fresh one as they are pennies.

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Topic starter Posted : 10/10/2020 3:17 pm
Hurty
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@cathovisor Hi I bought a Philips PM 3226 (Dual 15Mhz) when I started on my own in 1977 with a PM 2522 digital meter

PM3226

The scope and meter cost me £618 from the Philips Rep. Had to work hard to pay for that. Decided 2 years ago to update the scope, £14 pounds cheaper, in real terms than the Philips! Used to look at the PM5519 colour test generator in envy as it was £1200. Its sat above the Philips Scope. As the years go by You can obtain the stuff you could only wish for when I was younger. The Agilent, now Keysight was on offer. I use the same at work and like it very much. This one has the 200Mhz option fitted, the one at work is 500Mhz touch screen version. Just a bit of history.

Adrian

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Topic starter Posted : 10/10/2020 3:42 pm
Cathovisor
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I have far too much vintage test kit - I have two of those Philips pattern generators plus the much later fancy ones whose numbers escape me right now and top of the heap is a Tek TSG-271.

My first decent scope was a Hitachi V-222 and I still have it but again, I have many others - the analogue range-topper here is a Tek 2445B and the digital DSO is a Teledyne LeCroy 200MHz job.

I need to have a prune.

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Posted : 10/10/2020 3:48 pm
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It's quite an eye-opener as to just how much more efficient up-to-date LEDs are compared to their predecessors- the received wisdom of 40 years ago was 20mA for acceptable brightness, now a tenth of that is plenty with many.

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Posted : 10/10/2020 5:33 pm
freya
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Recently found my NOS stash of 1980`s LED`s and was surprised how many were very diminished in output, the boring 5mm red and green colours.

I imagined their life was estimated under working conditions, but perhaps not.

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Posted : 10/10/2020 7:57 pm
MarkC
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Thank you Hurty!! I have searched  for years for a replacement clock/timer for my 3V16 (ex rental) and have found them to be unobtainable....

Having stumbled upon this forum via search for 3v22 clock, I was amazed at your article. I had previously stripped the clock module and determined that the LEDs were faulty but saw no way in hell to replace them as they were so small and surface mounted.

I bit the bullet and ordered the LEDs..Yes they are small!!

Small

 Amazingly cheap though. I lost three... Not through melting etc, just dropped them and couldn't find! I followed the process re. the acetone and tinned the bare board and removed excess solder with braid for a flat surface. I haven't got a temperature controlled iron (Weller needs a thermostat) but I used a very fine tipped Antex iron. I had to use a head mounted magnifier with LED, mostly due to my age but I still I found it difficult to tack the LEDs using a screwdriver as they tended to pop out under the slightest pressure. I found it easier to place the LED with a small plastic tool, maybe an old trimmer? then gently hold with a finger to tack the first joint. After that just followed the process!

soldered

 As Hurty said, the meter will illuminate the LED's when in diode/junction test mode, so easy to ensure all connections are good. I think Hurty's pic shows the correct orientation for the LEDs, the cathode indicated by the large block of print on the pcb and the anode by the smaller "spidly" print. The resistor installation was fiddly but nothing in comparison to the LEDs!! Remember the links at locations 21 & 22.

Resistors

Finally I powered up the unit and couldn't see that things were right and spent an hour looking for issues... I should have fitted the lens straight away as all was good, maybe the eyes were trying to translate which LEDs were on into numbers... Whatever..

Display

it fooled me! With the lens on all is great!!!

What a fantastic Post by Hurty that has further enhanced my collection here in far away Perth Australia.

After achieving the impossible Hurty, can you devise a process to materialize obsolete control doors etc? 🙂 🙂

Regards - Mark

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Posted : 01/08/2021 11:45 am
Hurty
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@markc Hi Mark, glad you found it useful. I have done 3 of mine now and it just finishes the machines off nicely. The clock modules where expensive in 1982 when I last required one. As you say it is fiddley but doable.. On your question on materializing obsolete control doors, this is now doable if you have access to a 3D printer.

Adrian

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Topic starter Posted : 01/08/2021 3:49 pm